Some interesting Delphi poll results

Discussion in 'Boxing News and Discussion' started by Joonie73, Jan 12, 2004.

  1. Joonie73

    Joonie73 Guest

    Then what is your point?

    Are you referring to the Chitalada debate we had in the past? Chitalada was a very advanced fighter when he fought Chang the 1st time. Fighters simply develop at different speed. Some are still not quite developed after 25-30 fights; others reach their peak or close to it around before they even hit a dozen fight (many of these rare cases involve fighters who had long amateur & distinguished amateur careers like Chan-Hee Park or Sung-Kil Moon or fighters who were martial artists like Jiro Watanabe or Veeraphol Sahaprom). How else does Chan-Hee Park dominate Miguel Canto? Do you think Park was just a novice that Canto should've crushed since he had 10 fights or so when they fought? Or that Chiquita shouldn't get credit for beating Kwang-Sun Kim because Kim had what, 5 pro fights?

    And isn't it reasonable to assume to determine a fighter's stage of development, you would have to watch them in film extensively rather than doing the Boxrec thing?

    I do not care how many fights Chitalada had before he fought Chang. That version of Chitalada was very advanced & just about as good as Chitalada ever got. He had the same assets (the famous jab & very stiff right cross) then & never improved upon his weaknesses (lack of in-fighting ability or the capacity to throw short punches such as the hook or the uppercut). He also beat a very credible champion in Bernal 7 months after he fought Chang.

    [ January 14, 2004, 05:26 AM: Message edited by: Joonie73 ]
  2. Joonie73

    Joonie73 Guest

    You don't think fighters with a decorated martial arts background are more advanced than your typical neophyte pro?

    Consider some prominent examples:

    Veeraphol Saharpom, a Muay Thai champion in 3 different divisions, won his 1st title after in his FOURTH pro fight.

    Jiro Watanabe, a legendary Shotokan fighter (he's considered to have been a better karateka than a boxer), should have won his 1st title in his ELEVENTH pro fight when he was robbed v. Chul-Ho Kim.

    Samart Payakaroon, perhaps the greatest Muay Thai fighter ever, knocked out Lupe Pintor to win his 1st title in his TWELFTH pro fight.

    Chung-Il Choi, national champion tae kwon do competitor, was dominating v. Rolando Navarette & perhaps would've won his 1st title via KO if it weren't for the early bell in round 5 in his FOURTEENTH pro fight.

    Saensak Muangsurin, another Muay Thai champion, I believe still has the record for winning the world title with the least number of bouts, winning it in his FOURTH pro fight.

    And of course, we have the example of Chitalada who won his 1st title in his EIGHT pro fight.

    [ January 14, 2004, 05:45 AM: Message edited by: Joonie73 ]

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