Jones wasn't shot overnight, it was obvious to anyone that watching him his entire career that there was a level of decline for a few years before the Tarver loss. Merkerson even commented on it himself before the Woods and Ruiz fights. The first Tarver fight was a warning but Jones being Jones he took the rematch instead of just retiring and look what happened. He most certainly didn't become a journeyman though as the Lacy and Trinidad wins proved. He could still do some of the things that made him great in the first place but it was obvious he was only half the fighter he once was. Which brings us onto Ali....what did he do once his prime talent was significantly faded? I know it's sacriledge to point it out but from 1975 onwards he looked like shit against pretty much every fighter he fought. Flashes of greatness? I'd like to see examples of that, with the exception of the fight against a very limited Shavers Ali was a shadow after the Manila fight and was very carefully matched indeed. You won't find a bigger Ali fan than me but I don't judge him on his past prime years, I judge him on the very best version, the unbeatable one, and that's how I remember Jones too. Just because Hopkins aged better doesn't make him the better fighter, prime v prime he would lose to Roy Jones Jr every day of the week and twice on Sunday, and that's why it's idiotic to rate him higher. Had they never met close to prime it'd be an argument, but they actually did meet and no excuses in the world can make me forget the ownage that took place. Jones is the better man, end of discussion.